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	<title>Comments on: Is Plagiarism Ok&#8230; If It Was An Accident?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael VanDeMar</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-31846</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael VanDeMar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AJ - the script was essentially identical in functionality to mine, as well as the name being the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AJ &#8211; the script was essentially identical in functionality to mine, as well as the name being the same.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Clarke</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-31833</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Joel&#039;s response may be a bit immature. From what I gather he had original script, but the name was plagiarized? If so, the second he heard of it he should have changed the name. Domains are less than 10$ these days, it would have cost him nothing to switch domains. And regarding the traffic, all he had to do was confess, link back to your site and redirect his traffic to a new page with the plugin using a distinct name.

Sorry for this inconvenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Joel&#8217;s response may be a bit immature. From what I gather he had original script, but the name was plagiarized? If so, the second he heard of it he should have changed the name. Domains are less than 10$ these days, it would have cost him nothing to switch domains. And regarding the traffic, all he had to do was confess, link back to your site and redirect his traffic to a new page with the plugin using a distinct name.</p>
<p>Sorry for this inconvenience.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-25776</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could he not  edit the original page crediting you as the original author and link to your page. Then you would both share in the traffic. Regardless of age, plagiarism is plagiarism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could he not  edit the original page crediting you as the original author and link to your page. Then you would both share in the traffic. Regardless of age, plagiarism is plagiarism.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Richardson</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-25759</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So sorry you&#039;ve had this issue...it must be annoying. 

Hope you&#039;ve moved on to bigger and even more creative projects - I agree with what Disa Johnson posted above.

All the best,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So sorry you&#8217;ve had this issue&#8230;it must be annoying. </p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;ve moved on to bigger and even more creative projects &#8211; I agree with what Disa Johnson posted above.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Able</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-18204</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Able</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree that the name should have been changed earlier, but it was somewhat difficult due to the number of tweets and website visits we’d received.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since when does more traffic have to be a bad thing?

If I were Joel, right now, ASAP, before ANYTHING else, I&#039;d replace the original landing page with a four-paragraph mini-history &amp; resource version.  Focus on the good about the scripts, but also acknowledge what happened.

The first paragraph would *very* briefly point out the difference between the two, and confirm that Joel&#039;s script has (I hope!!) just been re-named.  Next would come two more paragraphs: an annotated link that leads to the original EasyWP, followed by another that links to your new script. 

At the bottom of the page you could have a *brief* apology for the confusion and oversight, plus few links that tell the story of this story, with very brief annotation if needed.  A link to this post on smackdown would be a good.

Meet that sometimes-uncomfortable transparency with generosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I agree that the name should have been changed earlier, but it was somewhat difficult due to the number of tweets and website visits we’d received.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since when does more traffic have to be a bad thing?</p>
<p>If I were Joel, right now, ASAP, before ANYTHING else, I&#8217;d replace the original landing page with a four-paragraph mini-history &amp; resource version.  Focus on the good about the scripts, but also acknowledge what happened.</p>
<p>The first paragraph would *very* briefly point out the difference between the two, and confirm that Joel&#8217;s script has (I hope!!) just been re-named.  Next would come two more paragraphs: an annotated link that leads to the original EasyWP, followed by another that links to your new script. </p>
<p>At the bottom of the page you could have a *brief* apology for the confusion and oversight, plus few links that tell the story of this story, with very brief annotation if needed.  A link to this post on smackdown would be a good.</p>
<p>Meet that sometimes-uncomfortable transparency with generosity.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Harvey</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-18183</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

Firstly, I&#039;d like to apologise for the controversy that has arisen over the two scripts- the existence of similar scripts should have checked before Joel&#039;s EasyWP was written. 
I&#039;m very sorry Joel&#039;s integrity is being questioned in this way; I assisted him in writing a few functions in his script, and I am the friend mentioned in his email who found your script. It was very unlucky that @smashingmag tweeted about Joel&#039;s script just after we&#039;d googled for EasyWP and discovered the existence of your script. 

I, and several others with whom Joel has spoken in the last few days, will be willing to testify that he did not knowingly plagiarise your script. 
If you compare the source code of both scripts, there are several differences - yours only works on *NIX-based servers because of its use of tar, rm and mv. Joel&#039;s, however, ought to work on both Windows and *NIX. In addition, Joel&#039;s script uses a different function to download the latest version of WordPress (file_get_contents). 

Having spoken to Joel yesterday evening, we&#039;re planning to take his script in a different direction completely and release it under a different name. Joel has built in an update mechanism to his script so that any further changes we make will be easily propagated. 
I agree that the name should have been changed earlier, but it was somewhat difficult due to the number of tweets and website visits we&#039;d received. 

Hope we can find a clear way through these issues.
Regards,

Donald Harvey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Firstly, I&#8217;d like to apologise for the controversy that has arisen over the two scripts- the existence of similar scripts should have checked before Joel&#8217;s EasyWP was written.<br />
I&#8217;m very sorry Joel&#8217;s integrity is being questioned in this way; I assisted him in writing a few functions in his script, and I am the friend mentioned in his email who found your script. It was very unlucky that @smashingmag tweeted about Joel&#8217;s script just after we&#8217;d googled for EasyWP and discovered the existence of your script. </p>
<p>I, and several others with whom Joel has spoken in the last few days, will be willing to testify that he did not knowingly plagiarise your script.<br />
If you compare the source code of both scripts, there are several differences &#8211; yours only works on *NIX-based servers because of its use of tar, rm and mv. Joel&#8217;s, however, ought to work on both Windows and *NIX. In addition, Joel&#8217;s script uses a different function to download the latest version of WordPress (file_get_contents). </p>
<p>Having spoken to Joel yesterday evening, we&#8217;re planning to take his script in a different direction completely and release it under a different name. Joel has built in an update mechanism to his script so that any further changes we make will be easily propagated.<br />
I agree that the name should have been changed earlier, but it was somewhat difficult due to the number of tweets and website visits we&#8217;d received. </p>
<p>Hope we can find a clear way through these issues.<br />
Regards,</p>
<p>Donald Harvey</p>
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		<title>By: Loki- SocialGumbo</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-18182</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki- SocialGumbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Joel has become aware of the ripple effect his actions have created. I would be willing to guess that youth and inexperience are to blame here rather than malice, but either way transparency is forcing itself into the equation now. 

Once something is out there it is impossible to get rid of it. The discussions around this incident will be archived online in perpetuity. Now if Joel can learn from this and move forward, gaining valuable lessons in transparency and integrity, he will be in great shape. If not I fear for his rep by the time he&#039;s 20. 

I encourage both side to continue keeping us posted in the comments here as things progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Joel has become aware of the ripple effect his actions have created. I would be willing to guess that youth and inexperience are to blame here rather than malice, but either way transparency is forcing itself into the equation now. </p>
<p>Once something is out there it is impossible to get rid of it. The discussions around this incident will be archived online in perpetuity. Now if Joel can learn from this and move forward, gaining valuable lessons in transparency and integrity, he will be in great shape. If not I fear for his rep by the time he&#8217;s 20. </p>
<p>I encourage both side to continue keeping us posted in the comments here as things progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Yura</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-18143</link>
		<dc:creator>Yura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 03:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you mention accidental plagiarism.

Just a week or so ago I found an article thief and asked him to link to the original article (or mention that I wrote the article and link to a few other pages on my site). The thief replied that he had the links, but during content reorganization, he somehow lost them.

I&#039;m not sure how it&#039;s possible to lose only a part of the content, if you organize WP, but it seems that ignorance of existence of the copyright holder seem to bear close resemblance to the ignorance of any existing copyright rights and issues.

Oh btw, as far as I recall, Joel *leads* a teen company, has had a few successes and - as far as I understand - is well into the tech social circle. I wouldn&#039;t insist on this, but if stretching it, it seems like he might&#039;ve chosen to outpromote your plugin, hoping his contacts/social mojo would be enough to make his plugin visible, while others would ignore your plugin. Quite a popular tactic on social voting websites: using powerful profiles to make popular stories that were submitted and didn&#039; get traction. Just guesstimating here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you mention accidental plagiarism.</p>
<p>Just a week or so ago I found an article thief and asked him to link to the original article (or mention that I wrote the article and link to a few other pages on my site). The thief replied that he had the links, but during content reorganization, he somehow lost them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how it&#8217;s possible to lose only a part of the content, if you organize WP, but it seems that ignorance of existence of the copyright holder seem to bear close resemblance to the ignorance of any existing copyright rights and issues.</p>
<p>Oh btw, as far as I recall, Joel *leads* a teen company, has had a few successes and &#8211; as far as I understand &#8211; is well into the tech social circle. I wouldn&#8217;t insist on this, but if stretching it, it seems like he might&#8217;ve chosen to outpromote your plugin, hoping his contacts/social mojo would be enough to make his plugin visible, while others would ignore your plugin. Quite a popular tactic on social voting websites: using powerful profiles to make popular stories that were submitted and didn&#8217; get traction. Just guesstimating here.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Drapper</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-18136</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Drapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Michael,

I&#039;m trying to get in contact with you. I want to resolve this issue as soon as possible.

Regards,
Joel Drapper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to get in contact with you. I want to resolve this issue as soon as possible.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Joel Drapper</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Able</title>
		<link>http://smackdown.blogsblogsblogs.com/2009/05/15/is-plagiarism-ok-if-it-was-an-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-18131</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Able</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO his age makes it even more important not to go too easy on him.  He&#039;s growing up, figuring out how he will be doing business in the future.  

I don&#039;t like that he does not open his communication with you with an apology. He could have and should have Googled prospective names, before deciding on one.  That&#039;s just common sense, no matter what age he is, and I doubt he&#039;ll forget next time!  

By asking if he could keep the name, since @smashignmagazine has already tweeted it, he shows that he understands social media&#039;s distribution system, but not the accountability that must go along with making connections online.  This online system we are part of blesses us with much transparency!

Kudos to you for standing up for yourself and providing this open discussion, and kudos to him for, I hope, learning some hard lessons about networking and reputation management in a digital age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO his age makes it even more important not to go too easy on him.  He&#8217;s growing up, figuring out how he will be doing business in the future.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like that he does not open his communication with you with an apology. He could have and should have Googled prospective names, before deciding on one.  That&#8217;s just common sense, no matter what age he is, and I doubt he&#8217;ll forget next time!  </p>
<p>By asking if he could keep the name, since @smashignmagazine has already tweeted it, he shows that he understands social media&#8217;s distribution system, but not the accountability that must go along with making connections online.  This online system we are part of blesses us with much transparency!</p>
<p>Kudos to you for standing up for yourself and providing this open discussion, and kudos to him for, I hope, learning some hard lessons about networking and reputation management in a digital age.</p>
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